Hyoss

As a general statement, the sorting of skills IS broken and was the main motivation to start work on TW II. It is being worked on, and I appreciate more reports of specific wrong behaviour since it allows me to test the feature better.
A fix for this will be released as soon as I can make it happen.

Hyoss

Added as feature request, hope to add this after the sorting bugs get fixed.
https://github.com/wduda/TravelWindo...#card-52127261

Known bug, caused by same reason why sorting does not work, hope to fix these two together. Please keep reporting though, more details are super helpful. https://github.com/wduda/TravelWindowII/issues/17

Will be fixed as part of sorting bugs, but this specific case is helpful for testing. Thanks! https://github.com/wduda/TravelWindowII/issues/15

Another useful case to know about for testing :-) https://github.com/wduda/TravelWindowII/issues/15

Hyoss

Milestone skills that were not bought yet are not shown now because they are considered not learned. Bought but not assigned milestone skills are shown if enabled in the options (here it is Return Home 2):


I think this could become part of either making it so enabling in the enable menu shows even unlearned skills or adding a "collections" like feature showing you which skills the character is missing.

This is a change that is caused by SSG renaming those skills so they have identical names. An improvement is not straightforward but I am working on it. Thanks for the report though! https://github.com/wduda/TravelWindowII/issues/17

I think you were expecting Shire (Racial) but it is called Michel Delving (Racial) currently. I will rename it back in the next version. https://github.com/wduda/TravelWindowII/issues/23

Sorting is broken and has been for some time. It will be the next major bug I want to fix and is the main motivation for restarting development of the plugin. https://github.com/wduda/TravelWindowII/issues/15

Hyoss

Not sure what sort button you are referring to.

Are you playing Warden or Hunter? Other classes do not have a travel skill to Forochel AFAIK. Also just to be sure, are we talking about "Sûri-Kylä"?

Sorting is broken and has been for some time. It will be the next major bug I want to fix and is the main motivation for restarting development of the plugin. https://github.com/wduda/TravelWindowII/issues/15

vecny.samotar

yesterday I tried to arrange the travel skills that I managed to do on 2 characters, so that I arranged them and then I put a relog and after the relog, the abilities were arranged as I set them. the mentioned 2 characters were racial human but when I definitely tried it on the third character racial dwarf it didn't work in the same way as the human characters.

As for the unoccupied and unlearned milestones, I had them turned on in the old plugin, so that I could better know what the milestone icons are and what the other travel abilities are.
as a sample as I had it set in the old plugin I am attaching a picture.
in the picture in the first line they are unstoppable and unlearned milestone and in the second line there are the other travel abilities

Note: I'm using the icons display setting

Hyoss

I understand the usefulness of using the unlearned skills like that now, but this is an unintended side effect of the plugin's behaviour. Unlearned skills are just not shown in general, and I had more users who wanted to not see those rather than users who wanted to see them. I will think about providing an even better way of sorting skills like you are trying to, for example making it a line per category (generic/milestone/reputation/hunter or warden for example).

As for the sorting, thanks again a lot, having another case described helps me test immensely. Sorting will remain broken however until I can make some very fundamental changes to the plugin.

Hyoss

Premiumheim sollte wieder funktionieren in v1.0.6beta. Ich habe im deutschen Client getestet und sogar selbst ein Premiumheim gekauft.

Ich habe getestet und im deutschen Client ging fast jeder Reiseskill nicht, zB Nach Minas Tirith, Kriegslager, Lager des Heeres, Haerondir, Rassenfaehigkeiten und und und. Ich habe jetzt etwa 30 davon repariert, und es sind noch ca 15 bis 20 die kaputt sind.

Dyri

Hi Hyos,

jaaa, es funktioniert jetzt mit dem Premiumheim.
Vielen Dank dafür, ich freu mich, ist wie Weihnachten

Es ist toll, dass du dich um die Weiterentwicklung kümmerst.

LG
Dyri

robhupf

As a general statement, the sorting of skills IS broken and was the main motivation to start work on TW II. It is being worked on, and I appreciate more reports of specific wrong behaviour since it allows me to test the feature better.
A fix for this will be released as soon as I can make it happen.

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So glad to see this plugin get some new love. Thanks so much for all your efforts Hyoss. Kudos

vecny.samotar

it would be enough if you added the ability to turn off or display these capabilities and users would decide for themselves whether I want it to be displayed

Hyoss

It sounds easy when you write it like that. While it would work with the way you are used to using the plugin, it would make the user experience worse for many other people. Making it half/half for some skills is not intuitive, while the plugin should behave in a predictable way.

So why is there an issue? The "enabled/disabled" feature shows all possible skills in the options window, but was ignoring the setting for unlearned skills other than milestones until recently. So for most skills, having them "enabled" but not learned was and is NOT showing them in the list/icon grid/pulldown. If I change that I would change it for all skills (consistency), and suddenly Travel Window is showing a lot of unusable skills for everyone, all greyed out. Now you could argue people can click off those unlearned skills, but:
a) it sucks to turn off 30+ skills on a new character
b) when you learn a new skill but it is disabled, it will not show up in Travel Window at first, and users forget they had to turn off all skills to not have them show up greyed out, so they will be sad/confused their newly learned skills are not showing up in TW

These all have fixes, but why spend time and build around a workaround/hack rather than introduce a proper solution?

So overall, the experience of using Travel Window becomes worse by forcing everyone to use the plugin in the way you suggest. What it needs is other, dedicated, better ways of sorting and presenting skills so the icon grid list becomes readable.

Gustl_M

erst mal prosit neujahr!

warum ich schreibe: ich habe einige probleme mit travel II:
• zum einen kann ich den karusell-mode nicht nutzen. mit mouse-over passiert einfach nichts
• zum anderen erkennt travel meine erlernten reiseziele nicht alle. es fehlen 5 reiseziele, unter anderem die 21.halle und andere

jemand einen tipp?
(war ewig offline...)

danke

vecny.samotar

ok but can you explain to me (I'm not very experienced in modifying-creating plugins, I know they can be modified based on the advice) how it was in the old version that they were displayed unobtrusively and unadulterated milestone?
it's just a matter of clarification so I can understand.
so then I would ask for something that would graphically separate the milestone from other travel capabilities especially in the icons display mode

an additional question:

an additional question: why did you add turbine examples plugins to the last update, all you had to do was enter the Turbine startup libraries so that the Travel Window II plugin could work

Hyoss

- in the plugin until now, not bought milestones were shown because Dhor decided that is okor did not know how to hide them; I could enable it back but it is my choice to not show untrained skills for consistency
- I think I can relatively quickly add the option for users to add blank slots between skills
- I did not add the examples, in fact neither libraries or examples are included in TravelWindow II. What I did is I made it so Plugin Compendium knows that Turbine libraries are needed by Travel Window II and install them if they are not there - it is Plugin Compendium that installs the examples together with the libraries unfortunately. This was obviously done so first time users who do not know about Turbine libraries can get the plugin working quickly out of the box

I am not sure if it is the language barrier or something else, but I have to say you r comments do not feel nice to me. When you say "you just had to" or "simply do this", while you admittedly have no idea what is simple and what is not when it comes to software development, feels paternizing or passive aggressive. I have chosen to spend my free time making a plugin for others to use. I make deliberate decisions how to change it, and it is discouraging being treated as if I do not know what I am doing or being spoken down to.

vecny.samotar

I apologize if it sounds like that, I know very poor English, so I prefer to use a translator (I'm Slovak) and sometimes I may use the wrong words, so then the translator will translate it so that it sounds completely different than I thought.