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Unread 06-26-2020, 01:22 PM  
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Re: Conflict with Moormap Plugin since LOC updates

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I do have a question for you. I am wondering why your Moormap (as well as some other plugins that others have developed) are not updated fully in the Plugin Compendium. Is that app going away or is there some other reason we're unaware of that the updates aren't in there? There's a handful of plugins that we use that don't get updated in there and most people don't even realize they can come to the forums here and get the updates, or that there even is an update. Just curious is all.
I will attempt to explain the process:
When an author publishes a plugin there is a checkbox that determines whether other authors can publish patches for the plugin. Those patches show up in the "Patch & Add-on List" section of the plugin's listing. This is a good feature for plugins that might otherwise become truly out of date when the game updates, it just requires the user to manually check the "Patches and Add-ons List" section.

Compendium uses a feed from lotrointerface.com (anyone with a registered account can set up a feed, on your 'Favorites' page there is an RSS button that will generate an RSS feed of your favorites) to determine the available downloads. I will use Crafting Companion as an example since I know that Thurallor uploaded a patch for the Ironfold crafting tier. If you go to the actual download page you will see the patch in the "Patches and Add-on List" section. The favorites RSS feed for Crafting Companion is:
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<title>Crafting Companion (1.2.0)</title>
<link>https://www.lotrointerface.com/downloads/info763-.html</link>
<description>
<![CDATA[ To install, copy the 'GaluhadPlugins' folder to your plugins directory. eg. C:\Users\..\Documents\The Lord of the Rings Online\Plugins\GaluhadPlugins This plugin is designed to help players with the... ]]>
</description>
<author>Galuhad</author>
<category domain="https://www.lotrointerface.com"/>
<guid>https://www.lotrointerface.com/downloads/info763-.html</guid>
<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2012 01:24:02</pubDate>
</item>
You can see where the feed shows information for the plugin, but does not include the available Patches. It seems Lunarwater is parsing the version info from the title tag, but all of the other info is easily distinguishable. Unfortunately, the patch information is not in the feed, only the info for the plugin itself, so patches are not available to Compendium.

Now, I am a bit confused since you said that Compendium does not show the current version of MoorMap - it should. MoorMap is not set to allow other authors to upload patches since I am still maintaining it so the version on the download page (and thus the RSS feed) is always the latest version. The feed for Compendium should automatically update the available version whenever you restart or refresh the view in Compendium. If you are not seeing the latest version of plugins then it would seem that Compendium is not getting a new RSS feed on your system for some reason - that would be a question for Lunarwater.

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Unread 06-26-2020, 11:37 AM  
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Conflict with Moormap Plugin since LOC updates

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Since shared annotations were meant to affect both map products, it had to be initially implemented with one of them but with the ability to affect both. I happened to randomly select to initially implement the maintenance of shared annotations in TerrainMap - no real reason, it was just the plugin I was working on at the time so it got top priority for this particular functionality. The intent was always to implement the same capabilities in MoorMap so either plugin could share with users that were using either plugin - i.e. MoorMap to MoorMap, MoorMap to TerrainMap, TerrainMap to MoorMap and/or TerrainMap to TerrainMap. That way it wouldn't matter which plugin you personally chose to maintain your custom annotations, you would be able to share them with everyone (once it was fully implemented).
Thanks for clarifying all that, I will definitely try using the setting to sync then. Appreciate the info.

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Thanks for reporting this. This is due to how MoorMap behaves when it detects the response to a /loc chat command. This is not actually due to a conflict with RTPlugin or any other plugin, for instance, you could do the same thing by simply walking/riding to a new map and manually typing the "/loc" command in chat. This is instead a bug in MoorMap - it isn't checking the prior display state when switching maps in response to the /loc so when the new map loads it is automatically displaying. This logic was not affected by the change to the /loc command (this bug has apparently been lurking for quite some time), but you may have co-incidentally made a change in your default display options at or near the same time as the /loc change which may have exposed this undesired functionality (bug), I'll have to look into how the various options interact with a reload due to a map change. This particular bug probably crept in back when custom annotations were implemented.
Glad to hear you are aware of it, hopefully it's something fixable.

I do have a question for you. I am wondering why your Moormap (as well as some other plugins that others have developed) are not updated fully in the Plugin Compendium. Is that app going away or is there some other reason we're unaware of that the updates aren't in there? There's a handful of plugins that we use that don't get updated in there and most people don't even realize they can come to the forums here and get the updates, or that there even is an update. Just curious is all.

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Suggestion: Sharing item/mob location info via chat

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Not sure why we need 2 plugins for the sharing is what I think the confusion is on my part and a few others in my kin that are wondering too.
Since shared annotations were meant to affect both map products, it had to be initially implemented with one of them but with the ability to affect both. I happened to randomly select to initially implement the maintenance of shared annotations in TerrainMap - no real reason, it was just the plugin I was working on at the time so it got top priority for this particular functionality. The intent was always to implement the same capabilities in MoorMap so either plugin could share with users that were using either plugin - i.e. MoorMap to MoorMap, MoorMap to TerrainMap, TerrainMap to MoorMap and/or TerrainMap to TerrainMap. That way it wouldn't matter which plugin you personally chose to maintain your custom annotations, you would be able to share them with everyone (once it was fully implemented).
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Re: Conflict with RT Plugin since LOC updates

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Hello,

I'm not sure which plugin is causing this issue so I'm going to post it on both of your plugins forums and hopefully between you you can work it out.

Since the last RT Plugin update a few days or so ago (and of course the last LOTRO update that made plugins update the LOC's) there is a strange conflict going on. It's not horrible, but I'm sure it's not good.

When I use the RT Plugin (which is pretty much a daily thing right now)
- Each time I change to a new map when we run our RT Runs, and I click the little green button to locate myself on the map, it opens the Moor Map. This only happens that once upon map change so far.

- Then all is fine until I change maps and do it again for a new map.

I'm sure it's some conflict in the loc's that were updated but don't know which plugin is causing it so please check this and see what's going on. Thanks!
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Thanks for reporting this. This is due to how MoorMap behaves when it detects the response to a /loc chat command. This is not actually due to a conflict with RTPlugin or any other plugin, for instance, you could do the same thing by simply walking/riding to a new map and manually typing the "/loc" command in chat. This is instead a bug in MoorMap - it isn't checking the prior display state when switching maps in response to the /loc so when the new map loads it is automatically displaying. This logic was not affected by the change to the /loc command (this bug has apparently been lurking for quite some time), but you may have co-incidentally made a change in your default display options at or near the same time as the /loc change which may have exposed this undesired functionality (bug), I'll have to look into how the various options interact with a reload due to a map change. This particular bug probably crept in back when custom annotations were implemented.

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Unread 06-25-2020, 11:36 AM  
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Unhappy Conflict with RT Plugin since LOC updates

Hello,

I'm not sure which plugin is causing this issue so I'm going to post it on both of your plugins forums and hopefully between you you can work it out.

Since the last RT Plugin update a few days or so ago (and of course the last LOTRO update that made plugins update the LOC's) there is a strange conflict going on. It's not horrible, but I'm sure it's not good.

When I use the RT Plugin (which is pretty much a daily thing right now)
- Each time I change to a new map when we run our RT Runs, and I click the little green button to locate myself on the map, it opens the Moor Map. This only happens that once upon map change so far.

- Then all is fine until I change maps and do it again for a new map.

I'm sure it's some conflict in the loc's that were updated but don't know which plugin is causing it so please check this and see what's going on. Thanks!
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Unread 06-25-2020, 11:33 AM  
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Suggestion: Sharing item/mob location info via chat

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So will this sharing in Moormap be incorporating Google as well? Personally I don't want to be connected to Google any more than we already have to which is plenty everywhere else. Hopefully this is something that will be dealt with in game rather than using external sources?

As for the Harddrive, yes, I'm on an HDD drive, but I'm on a laptop which I doubt very much will be able to be updated (maybe, not sure so I'll check on that). It's not very old, but I want to check on Ram to see if that can be updated too. Not so much for this particular game since this game is so very old I can't imagine it needing more than 8 gb of Ram, but I do have a lot of other games I play as well so I'll look into all of that, thanks for the tip.
I'm not sure what you mean by "incorporating Google". Neither MoorMap nor TerrainMap are connected to Google. Are you referring to the Google map from http://lotromap.net/terrainmap/google.html ? If so, that is a totally separate project, based on the tiles (with SSGs consent) and data files from TerrainMap but not actually integrated in any way and has no support for custom annotations. The MoorMap annotation sharing will be via chat channels the same way that TerrainMap annotation sharing is currently implemented.

Many laptops have a second bay for an SSD, I have a couple with M.2 slots (a special form factor SSD that looks like a small circuit board rather than a 2.5" drive). If you don't have a second bay or special SSD slot then you could always replace the HDD with an SSD but that takes a little more time and may cost you more than a simple SSD install - however, if you show your laptop specs to any local PC shop they should be able to explain your options easily enough. If you do replace the HDD, you can get an adapter to run it externally via a USB port (it'll be slow but still useful for document storage, etc.).
Ah I see, well I'll check it out again then and see what the deal is on the Terrainmap. Not sure why we need 2 plugins for the sharing is what I think the confusion is on my part and a few others in my kin that are wondering too.

I'll also check into the SSD drive, hopefully they aren't as expensive as they were a few years ago. That's what stopped me from adding it to my Mac, they were horribly priced for small sizes and since my laptop is my gaming computer with a lot of games on it (solo and mmo) a small drive isn't going to cut it lol. Thanks again for that info ..
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Re: Re: Re: Suggestion: Sharing item/mob location info via chat

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So will this sharing in Moormap be incorporating Google as well? Personally I don't want to be connected to Google any more than we already have to which is plenty everywhere else. Hopefully this is something that will be dealt with in game rather than using external sources?

As for the Harddrive, yes, I'm on an HDD drive, but I'm on a laptop which I doubt very much will be able to be updated (maybe, not sure so I'll check on that). It's not very old, but I want to check on Ram to see if that can be updated too. Not so much for this particular game since this game is so very old I can't imagine it needing more than 8 gb of Ram, but I do have a lot of other games I play as well so I'll look into all of that, thanks for the tip.
I'm not sure what you mean by "incorporating Google". Neither MoorMap nor TerrainMap are connected to Google. Are you referring to the Google map from http://lotromap.net/terrainmap/google.html ? If so, that is a totally separate project, based on the tiles (with SSGs consent) and data files from TerrainMap but not actually integrated in any way and has no support for custom annotations. The MoorMap annotation sharing will be via chat channels the same way that TerrainMap annotation sharing is currently implemented.

Many laptops have a second bay for an SSD, I have a couple with M.2 slots (a special form factor SSD that looks like a small circuit board rather than a 2.5" drive). If you don't have a second bay or special SSD slot then you could always replace the HDD with an SSD but that takes a little more time and may cost you more than a simple SSD install - however, if you show your laptop specs to any local PC shop they should be able to explain your options easily enough. If you do replace the HDD, you can get an adapter to run it externally via a USB port (it'll be slow but still useful for document storage, etc.).
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Re: Re: Suggestion: Sharing item/mob location info via chat

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Annotation sharing has been in the works for quite some time (long before RTPlugin existed). The idea actually arose from the multi-player version of the Cards plugin which uses chat to control dealing, betting, etc. Unfortunately, the Cards plugin was abandoned back in 2011 or 2012 (but may yet be resurrected). The annotation sharing in MoorMap will be very similar to the annotation sharing in TerrainMap, using the same mechanism to whitelist and blacklist, etc.

FWIW, I suspect the "slow and laggy" response you are experiencing with TerrainMap is due to your drive. It seems likely that you are still running on a HDD (Hard Disk Drive).
So will this sharing in Moormap be incorporating Google as well? Personally I don't want to be connected to Google any more than we already have to which is plenty everywhere else. Hopefully this is something that will be dealt with in game rather than using external sources?

As for the Harddrive, yes, I'm on an HDD drive, but I'm on a laptop which I doubt very much will be able to be updated (maybe, not sure so I'll check on that). It's not very old, but I want to check on Ram to see if that can be updated too. Not so much for this particular game since this game is so very old I can't imagine it needing more than 8 gb of Ram, but I do have a lot of other games I play as well so I'll look into all of that, thanks for the tip.
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Re: Suggestion: Sharing item/mob location info via chat

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Hiya again,

I wanted to keep this separate hope that's ok.

I am wondering if there's any plans to add sharability via this plugin directly rather than having to go through Terrain Map? I tried Terrain Map for a very short time and it is really slow and laggy so it's not as helpful as it could be. I am wondering if there's a way to incorporate Chat to send locations of items/mobs/pins etc. similar to what we do with the RT Plugin? Wouldn't need anything elaborate, just the ability to send all or one at a time custom locations from a map.

I could envision a Send Item link under the Edit link in the mouseover tooltip that when clicked would automatically send the data for that item to whatever chat was currently open in our chat box. This could allow us to share locations without having to deal with files themselves.

From here I could envision a button at the top or wherever, that would send "all" custom locations from the current map (I wouldn't go with send all from all maps, I think one map at a time is plenty enough).

Just an idea that was mulling around in my head since the RT Plugin utilizes the chat system pretty nicely.

Thanks again!
Annotation sharing has been in the works for quite some time (long before RTPlugin existed). The idea actually arose from the multi-player version of the Cards plugin which uses chat to control dealing, betting, etc. Unfortunately, the Cards plugin was abandoned back in 2011 or 2012 (but may yet be resurrected). The annotation sharing in MoorMap will be very similar to the annotation sharing in TerrainMap, using the same mechanism to whitelist and blacklist, etc.

FWIW, I suspect the "slow and laggy" response you are experiencing with TerrainMap is due to your drive. It seems likely that you are still running on a HDD (Hard Disk Drive). If you are, I would recommend upgrading to an SSD (Solid State Device), they have gotten less expensive and more reliable and make a HUGE difference playing the game, especially when rapidly accessing many files like TerrainMap has to. The TerrainMap plugin is sluggish on all of my older test systems with HDDs but responds smoothly on all of my newer systems with SSDs. Just a suggestion, I know that not everyone can afford SSDs (especially just to play a game), but in this case, it would likely make a world of difference. One thing, you have to make sure that your "Documents" folder is on the SSD or at the very least, create a symbolic link to a folder on the SSD for the "Lord of the Rings" folder. The game itself will also run much smoother, especially load times between zones, if it is on the SSD as well (you can copy all of the game files to the SSD and then run "TurbineRegisterGDF.exe" from the new location to re-register the DLLs, no need to re-install, just update any desktop shortcuts to point to the new location).

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Thumbs up Suggestion: Sharing item/mob location info via chat

Hiya again,

I wanted to keep this separate hope that's ok.

I am wondering if there's any plans to add sharability via this plugin directly rather than having to go through Terrain Map? I tried Terrain Map for a very short time and it is really slow and laggy so it's not as helpful as it could be. I am wondering if there's a way to incorporate Chat to send locations of items/mobs/pins etc. similar to what we do with the RT Plugin? Wouldn't need anything elaborate, just the ability to send all or one at a time custom locations from a map.

I could envision a Send Item link under the Edit link in the mouseover tooltip that when clicked would automatically send the data for that item to whatever chat was currently open in our chat box. This could allow us to share locations without having to deal with files themselves.

From here I could envision a button at the top or wherever, that would send "all" custom locations from the current map (I wouldn't go with send all from all maps, I think one map at a time is plenty enough).

Just an idea that was mulling around in my head since the RT Plugin utilizes the chat system pretty nicely.

Thanks again!
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Re: Re: Little red button, custom adds,

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The red button on the annotation pop-up dialog is a pushpin. Normally, if you close MoorMap, the pop-up description closes as well. If you have pushed the push-pin icon, the description will stay open, "pinned".

Any treasure caches or lore pages should have been included in the default data, any that are missing can be reported here - most likely they are from an older region and were added in an update long after the default data for that region was captured. If you would like to help update them, just send me a PM here with the locations of some of the missing annotations and I will run around the affected region to recapture the missing data.
Hello again, thanks I will send you the 2 missing items I've found so far and will report any others I find later as well.

As for the button, I kind of worked out what it did not long after I posted, but left it here just in case there was something I was missing. It doesn't work real well, you have to click it a handful of times before it finally catches and works for some reason. Could be lag, who knows since the server is riddled with that.
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Re: Little red button, custom adds,

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Hello and thanks for an awesome plugin! I have a question about the little red toggle button in the top left corner of the popup window when you click on locations. I can find nothing it does. Please let us know how to use that button if you would.

I am also wondering if there's a way to add more icons and default categories to the list? I've found a handful of things missing on the maps, I've added them, but some are treasure caches and some are lore pages and no icons for those are in the list nor categories. Since you already incorporate those icons it would be great to be able to choose Treasure Cache or Lore Page or similar from the list and use the proper icons.
Is there a way we can add our own to these or is this something you need to do?

I'm sure I'll come across a few more things, but it's a pretty slick little addon, thanks so much!
Hi, thanks for the feedback, glad you like the plugin.

The red button on the annotation pop-up dialog is a pushpin. Normally, if you close MoorMap, the pop-up description closes as well. If you have pushed the push-pin icon, the description will stay open, "pinned". It was a requested feature a few years back and is in the ver 1.28 update notes. I've been meaning to create a video series on how to use MoorMap and TerrainMap, since there are so many features available in both, as well as a short series on what goes on behind the scenes to make it all possible. I just haven't gotten around to it.

Any treasure caches or lore pages should have been included in the default data, any that are missing can be reported here - most likely they are from an older region and were added in an update long after the default data for that region was captured. If you would like to help update them, just send me a PM here with the locations of some of the missing annotations and I will run around the affected region to recapture the missing data. As to adding your own icons for treasure caches and such, well, I could allow users to do this but then I would never be contacted about the missing data points and they would never get corrected, so I really do not want to enable icons for data that should be part of the default data. There is not any way (yet) to add your own icon categories - it's been on the ToDo list for a couple of years actually but keeps getting bumped by more significant issues.

Alternately, you could create an Overlay that has just the icons you want to add and that would effectively allow you to have custom categories (with custom icons). Then you could even share the Overlay with others. Overlays are discussed in the readme.txt file with the plugin.

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Thumbs up Little red button, custom adds,

Hello and thanks for an awesome plugin! I have a question about the little red toggle button in the top left corner of the popup window when you click on locations. I can find nothing it does. Please let us know how to use that button if you would.

I am also wondering if there's a way to add more icons and default categories to the list? I've found a handful of things missing on the maps, I've added them, but some are treasure caches and some are lore pages and no icons for those are in the list nor categories. Since you already incorporate those icons it would be great to be able to choose Treasure Cache or Lore Page or similar from the list and use the proper icons.
Is there a way we can add our own to these or is this something you need to do?

I'm sure I'll come across a few more things, but it's a pretty slick little addon, thanks so much!
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Ver 1.42

Ver 1.42 fixes a couple of minor bugs but primarily addresses the location format for the EN client that was changed in U26.2.2.
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Re: Re: Plugin not loading

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Hi. I'm not sure from your pictures, but it seems you may be expecting MoorMap to replace the in-game map (your second picture was the built-in map), that functionality does not (can not, due to API limitations) exist. The plugin loads with an icon used to display the map, by default at the bottom left corner
Man, now I saw the icon! I feel so dumb right now lol.
Sry for taking up your time and thank you so much! =D
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