Thurallor

Hi Davout,

I think this is another case of the SkillData database being incomplete. I can add the necessary info, but I don't have a high-level burglar to test with.

To provide the necessary info to me, please do the following:

1. Create a new bar
2. Add only the "Improved Feint Attack" skill to it
3. Export the bar (it's in the right-click menu) and send the data to me in a PM.

Cool, I'm glad you found a solution.

In general, making sequences longer shouldn't affect performance at all, unless you are doing "continuous execution", which not many people do.

Davout

Hello Thurallor

I am having an issue with the "Skill is Useable" option for "Improved Feint Attack". The skill is available to use as standard but, in SequenceBars, "Skill is Useable" is showing as false constantly, even though the skill is useable.

"Skill is Ready" is working as intended.

akourbat

Excellent! I have run another test with updated database file and everything runs smoothly now, regardless of the stance I am in . Thanks for the quick fix.

Re inserting delay before the skill that relies on some condition granted by the preceeding skill - yeah, I tried that, but instead prefer inserting another "neutral" skill in between, like "piercing cry" (I referred to it as "shout" earlier), that gives time for a condition to be properly registered. Since "piercing cry" has a cooldown and is not always available, I just wrap it in "if else", and put spam ballad after "else", so if cry is not ready, I throw a another ballad. That makes sure Coda, which comes after, is good and ready to fire.

Question - my spec grants me a chance to acquire 3 ballad buffs immediately, thus making Coda available in the rotation earlier (without actually casting 3 ballads). I am thinking about putting checks for Coda's "skill is usable" throughout my rotation to catch such boons as they occur. Would that hurt performance much?

Thurallor

Try adding a short "Delay Slot" before the "If Coda is usable" conditional. This conditional is immediately evaluated after you click the previous slot, which may be too soon to detect the change.

Again -- if "Shout" is made ready by clicking the previous slot, you may need a short delay before doing the test.

This is the part that I think will be fixed by adding the alternate names to the SkillData database.

Here is a new SkillData.lua file. Place it at

Plugins/Thurallor/Common/Utils/SkillData.lua

Then you should be able to use the "secondary method" for detecting skill execution.

akourbat

Ok, I did some more testing. The rotation I tested is quite simple - since ballads are always "usable" and coda is usable only when there are 3 ballads buffs, and neither of those have a cooldown, I do a shout first, then check is Coda is "usable" and if it is - do Coda, then 3 ballads, then 2 anthems, but only if anthem buffs expired. That's all. It loops, and Coda should fire.

In practice the plugin is unable to pick up the fact that Coda is usable if it is tested right after the third ballad, thus I put it after shout.

In Melody stance all is working more or less as expected, sometimes the rotation gets stuck on shout (does the shout and stops, trying to cast it again, even thought it is on cooldown). Shout is surrounded by "if ready", but that still happens once in a while, but I can live with that.

However, if I go into any of the other two stances - Coda starts acting up - it does execute, but often it gets stuck on itself - it is greyed-out (since it consumed all ballads buffs) and just refuses to move on. My guess would be it misses the fact that is successfully executed. I tried both options for determining the execution - with and without "secondary method", but the bug still happens.

Again, I did not observe this behaviour in Melody stance, only in Dissonance and Resonance.

Thurallor

Remember, there are three conditions related to skill availability. Two of them apply to this skill:

• "Skill is usable" will be FALSE when combat begins, and true after you've done a few ballads.
• "Skill is ready" will be TRUE except when the skill is on cooldown.

(The other is "Skill is trained", which should always be true for this skill.)

If you can't get it to work, please PM me an export of your sequence ("Export" in the right-click menu) and describe the exact scenario in which the behavior does not match your expectations.

akourbat

re Codas - no, I don't think the conditional works, as a workaround I had to put condition to check if any anthem is castable (codas and anthems share the requirement of 3 ballad buffs present to become invokable). I am not 100% sure though, but my rotation broke a few times on target dummy when I used different stance than Melody while relying on Coda of Melody's avalability conditional. I'll re-check tomorrow to make sure.

Thurallor

Hi akourbat,

Just to be clear -- The only problem is that the name of the skill is wrong in the dropdown list. The conditional still works, regardless of stance. Right?

This appears to be another case of a single skill (under the hood) having different names in different circumstances. The alternate names aren't included in moebius92's SkillData database, so I have to add them when I come across them.

akourbat

Hi, first of all - brilliant plugin, thanks so much for keeping it developed and updated! If you'll have some time, could you please look into Minstrel's Codas (there are 3, one for each stance - https://lotro-wiki.com/index.php/Coda), whereas the plugin only recognizes Coda of Melody (and one other, which appears to be either obsolete or has to do with mounted combat). I have used the plugin in all stances, hoping it would "pick-up" missing codas, but no joy... That's what I see in the edit window https://1drv.ms/u/s!AkUfQANqQ5Oyt2gO...EXkXK?e=bI2kw3

Thanks in advance

Thurallor

Do you have the "require target" box ticked?

Does the sequence progress to the next slot when you click the "select target" slot?

danglor

1. I am in raid.

2. Target cannot be selected by clicking slot.

- Creating the slot was successful.

- No special characters.

Thurallor

1. Are you in a raid or a fellowship?

2. What do you mean by "not successful"?

- Creating the slot was unsuccessful. Was there an error message in the chat window?

- Clicking the slot was unsuccessful. What is the name of the character you were targeting? Did it have special German characters (ß, ä, ö, ü)?

danglor

INSERT SPECIAL SLOT--SELECT TARGET--RAID MEMBER (BY NAME) ，not successful

Thurallor

I don't understand the question.

Do you mean, to read the skill icon from the Battle Memory quickslot? No, not possible.

danglor

Get skill icons,

Is it feasible?