I've tried that several times, but will try it once more, if that doesnt work I'll just reisntall Lotro again. Im stumped too cause I had it working on Friday, but I had to do a system restore and afterward Happy Cloud wouldnt repair the lotro files so I had to to a fresh install. I'll try that again and delete all the plugin folders downloads too to see if that helps. Thanks for all your effort, it is greatly appreciated.