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Unread 05-13-2011, 06:46 AM  
Modnar
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Garan,

First I would like to say that MoorMaps is a great plugin. Thank you for all of your hard work on this (and your many other!) projects.

I must admit I am mostly writing because I believe I've encountered two potential programming issues:

1) Editing Quick Annotations on Multiple Maps: While using quick annotation to add the tombs along the Way of Kings in Annuminas, I noticed that editing a newly added entry only updated the Annuminas map. Neither the Evendim or Eregion maps were updated with the new information. While not a deal breaker, it is a bit awkward since this means you add one entry (user perspective) but must edit 3 entries in 3 different places.

2) Entry into sub-maps: I had been adding a small addendum to the Description of each tomb since I keep forgetting whether or not it can be entered (example: <name> - [enterable | cannot be entered]) . But Elendil's Tomb created a problem which got me considering your comment about working on adding interior maps. Have you considered tracking how an interior is entered, and what type of interior it is? Because Elendil's Tomb is "enterable Quest Locked Instance" in my database right now. This allows for Quest, Reputation and Level locked areas. As well as accounting for Common and Instanced (raids, skirmishes and instances) versions. I'm not sure you want to account for this in the database, but thought i should bring it up while you're still working on this feature.
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Unread 05-05-2011, 04:23 PM  
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The Ered Luin map data and version 1.06 will be delayed a little. I added the code necessary to process Interior Location maps so that I could add the Thorin's Hall (main floor and lower level) location. I have not added any other interior maps yet, but the mechanism is in place. I am also working on a mechanism for storing the custom annotations in separate files per map - I hadn't counted on anyone adding as many annotations as some users have and when working with the data I noticed a significant impact on load times. This should all be included in version 1.06 with the Ered Luin map data in about two weeks (if the custom data changes are not ready in two weeks, I will simply roll back the changes and publish the data update so as not to delay it too long).
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Unread 05-05-2011, 03:36 AM  
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Talking Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Houston, we have a problem...

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MapData_9.lua 24 kb 4/30/2011 10:43 pm

Also, I don't know if it will help to know this or not, but when I download an update, I've been deleting the GaranStuff folder & everything below it, then moving in the new unzipped stuff. I leave the PluginData stuff alone so it will keep all the node info I've found.
I may have figured out what is going on. You mentioned way back in one of your original posts that you loaded MoorMap with PluginManager but I didn't realize the possible implication. When you configure PluginManager, there are actually four distinct components displayed for MoorMap, but you should only ever load the one labelled "MoorMap". The additional components are launched by the plugin itself as it needs them - loading them via PluginManager will not only prevent the default file from being processed but can also generate a null map ID that in turn causes an error on line 3159.

If you did indeed configure PluginManager to load the other componets the fix is pretty simple, load PluginManager and use "/manager" to open it's configuration window and make sure that the plugins "MoorMapDefaults", "MoorMapLoader" and "MoorMapTerminator" are NOT selected to be loaded by PluginManager - "MoorMap" itself should be the only plugin with a name starting with "MoorMap" that is checked. Apply your changes then unload all plugins using "/plugins unload" and reload PluginManager - MoorMap will now be in a stable state. You will then have to manually reload the defaults by opening the Annotation Maintenance Window (click the second button from the left at the top of the window or edit any existing annotation) and click the "Reload Defaults" button. I will be updating the usage instructions to avoid this in the future.

If this was not the issue, let me know (well, please let me know either way).

P.S. I've been seeing some significant load times on the maps with all those custom annotations. I may have to consider breaking up the custom annotations the same way the default ones are to ease that a bit.

@Matzig - this may also be the underlying problem with your missing default icons. Please let me know if you were using PluginManager (or other plugin loading method) and were loading more than just the "MoorMap" plugin. If so, just follow the steps outlined above to resolve.


This was in fact the issue for me. I thought for moment it wasn't when I brought up Ered Luin, but then I remembered it wasn't on the list of loaded defaults yet. I loaded Bree-land and all kinds of new flags popped up.

Thank you, thank you, thank you!
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Unread 05-04-2011, 08:07 PM  
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Houston, we have a problem...

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MapData_9.lua 24 kb 4/30/2011 10:43 pm

Also, I don't know if it will help to know this or not, but when I download an update, I've been deleting the GaranStuff folder & everything below it, then moving in the new unzipped stuff. I leave the PluginData stuff alone so it will keep all the node info I've found.
I may have figured out what is going on. You mentioned way back in one of your original posts that you loaded MoorMap with PluginManager but I didn't realize the possible implication. When you configure PluginManager, there are actually four distinct components displayed for MoorMap, but you should only ever load the one labelled "MoorMap". The additional components are launched by the plugin itself as it needs them - loading them via PluginManager will not only prevent the default file from being processed but can also generate a null map ID that in turn causes an error on line 3159.

If you did indeed configure PluginManager to load the other componets the fix is pretty simple, load PluginManager and use "/manager" to open it's configuration window and make sure that the plugins "MoorMapDefaults", "MoorMapLoader" and "MoorMapTerminator" are NOT selected to be loaded by PluginManager - "MoorMap" itself should be the only plugin with a name starting with "MoorMap" that is checked. Apply your changes then unload all plugins using "/plugins unload" and reload PluginManager - MoorMap will now be in a stable state. You will then have to manually reload the defaults by opening the Annotation Maintenance Window (click the second button from the left at the top of the window or edit any existing annotation) and click the "Reload Defaults" button. I will be updating the usage instructions to avoid this in the future.

If this was not the issue, let me know (well, please let me know either way).

P.S. I've been seeing some significant load times on the maps with all those custom annotations. I may have to consider breaking up the custom annotations the same way the default ones are to ease that a bit.

@Matzig - this may also be the underlying problem with your missing default icons. Please let me know if you were using PluginManager (or other plugin loading method) and were loading more than just the "MoorMap" plugin. If so, just follow the steps outlined above to resolve.

Last edited by Garan : 05-04-2011 at 08:32 PM.
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Unread 05-03-2011, 05:44 PM  
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Houston, we have a problem...

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To test your theories, I ran the program & loaded my plugins with PluginManager. MoorMap came up saying MoorMap 1.04 Garan loaded. Still no default stuff on Breeland.

I then looked at the ReadMe that unpacked from the .zip. It showed 1.04 in the
history list. (I always use the Download button to get the latest version. I only use the archive links if I'm after an older version.)

I guess it will remain a mystery.

I downloaded 1.05a. Problem. When it tried to load I got a TON of
...the Rings Online\Plugins\GaranStuff\MoorMap\Main.lua:3159: attempt to index field '?' (a nil value)

Hope you get 'er fixed soon. I love this plugin.
Before going too much further, I would like to try reproducing your situation. I will PM you information on how to send me your saved data files so that I can try to recreate what is occuring.

OK. It's in the mail to you. Hope it helps.
Thanks for the data. It was quite helpful and part of the mystery is solved. All of your map data files are dated 4/6/2011 which means they were never updated after version 1.03. The data itself is fine and updates correctly when an update is processed on my test box so it's not a bad data issue. The mystery is why has your settings file been updated but the map data did not. One of two things is occuring. Either the source data files in your Plugin folder are not getting updated when you download the new plugin versions or an error is occurring while processing the new data files. The next step is to make sure you actually have the new source data files and they are in the correct location (if you unzipped the update and accidentally didn't preserve the folder paths or declined to overwrite existing files or they are write protected or for what ever reason, you may still have the old source files). Please check the size and date on the "MapData_9.lua" file in your "My Documents\The Lord of the Rings Online\Plugins\GaranStuff\MoorMap\Data" folder. Let me know what the date and file size are (they should be 24KB and 4/23/2011) so that I can determine which direction to look further. We should be pretty close to solving this mystery.

MapData_9.lua 24 kb 4/30/2011 10:43 pm

Also, I don't know if it will help to know this or not, but when I download an update, I've been deleting the GaranStuff folder & everything below it, then moving in the new unzipped stuff. I leave the PluginData stuff alone so it will keep all the node info I've found.

btw, that's an impressive number of nodes you've entered

I have been exploring a bit
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Unread 05-03-2011, 08:50 AM  
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Re: Re: Re: Houston, we have a problem...

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Originally Posted by Crackpot370
To test your theories, I ran the program & loaded my plugins with PluginManager. MoorMap came up saying MoorMap 1.04 Garan loaded. Still no default stuff on Breeland.

I then looked at the ReadMe that unpacked from the .zip. It showed 1.04 in the
history list. (I always use the Download button to get the latest version. I only use the archive links if I'm after an older version.)

I guess it will remain a mystery.

I downloaded 1.05a. Problem. When it tried to load I got a TON of
...the Rings Online\Plugins\GaranStuff\MoorMap\Main.lua:3159: attempt to index field '?' (a nil value)

Hope you get 'er fixed soon. I love this plugin.
Before going too much further, I would like to try reproducing your situation. I will PM you information on how to send me your saved data files so that I can try to recreate what is occuring.

OK. It's in the mail to you. Hope it helps.
Thanks for the data. It was quite helpful and part of the mystery is solved. All of your map data files are dated 4/6/2011 which means they were never updated after version 1.03. The data itself is fine and updates correctly when an update is processed on my test box so it's not a bad data issue. The mystery is why has your settings file been updated but the map data did not. One of two things is occuring. Either the source data files in your Plugin folder are not getting updated when you download the new plugin versions or an error is occurring while processing the new data files. The next step is to make sure you actually have the new source data files and they are in the correct location (if you unzipped the update and accidentally didn't preserve the folder paths or declined to overwrite existing files or they are write protected or for what ever reason, you may still have the old source files). Please check the size and date on the "MapData_9.lua" file in your "My Documents\The Lord of the Rings Online\Plugins\GaranStuff\MoorMap\Data" folder. Let me know what the date and file size are (they should be 24KB and 4/23/2011) so that I can determine which direction to look further. We should be pretty close to solving this mystery.

btw, that's an impressive number of nodes you've entered

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Unread 05-03-2011, 12:16 AM  
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Re: Re: Houston, we have a problem...

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To test your theories, I ran the program & loaded my plugins with PluginManager. MoorMap came up saying MoorMap 1.04 Garan loaded. Still no default stuff on Breeland.

I then looked at the ReadMe that unpacked from the .zip. It showed 1.04 in the
history list. (I always use the Download button to get the latest version. I only use the archive links if I'm after an older version.)

I guess it will remain a mystery.

I downloaded 1.05a. Problem. When it tried to load I got a TON of
...the Rings Online\Plugins\GaranStuff\MoorMap\Main.lua:3159: attempt to index field '?' (a nil value)

Hope you get 'er fixed soon. I love this plugin.
Before going too much further, I would like to try reproducing your situation. I will PM you information on how to send me your saved data files so that I can try to recreate what is occuring.

OK. It's in the mail to you. Hope it helps.
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Re: Houston, we have a problem...

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Originally Posted by Crackpot370
To test your theories, I ran the program & loaded my plugins with PluginManager. MoorMap came up saying MoorMap 1.04 Garan loaded. Still no default stuff on Breeland.

I then looked at the ReadMe that unpacked from the .zip. It showed 1.04 in the
history list. (I always use the Download button to get the latest version. I only use the archive links if I'm after an older version.)

I guess it will remain a mystery.

I downloaded 1.05a. Problem. When it tried to load I got a TON of
...the Rings Online\Plugins\GaranStuff\MoorMap\Main.lua:3159: attempt to index field '?' (a nil value)

Hope you get 'er fixed soon. I love this plugin.
Before going too much further, I would like to try reproducing your situation. I will PM you information on how to send me your saved data files so that I can try to recreate what is occuring.

Last edited by Garan : 04-30-2011 at 11:06 PM.
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Unread 04-30-2011, 08:12 PM  
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Houston, we have a problem...

To test your theories, I ran the program & loaded my plugins with PluginManager. MoorMap came up saying MoorMap 1.04 Garan loaded. Still no default stuff on Breeland.

I then looked at the ReadMe that unpacked from the .zip. It showed 1.04 in the
history list. (I always use the Download button to get the latest version. I only use the archive links if I'm after an older version.)

I guess it will remain a mystery.

I downloaded 1.05a. Problem. When it tried to load I got a TON of
...the Rings Online\Plugins\GaranStuff\MoorMap\Main.lua:3159: attempt to index field '?' (a nil value)

Hope you get 'er fixed soon. I love this plugin.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by matzig
I keep getting this error message:
...the Rings Online\Plugins\GaranStuff\MoorMap\Main.lua:3635: attempt to index field 'LocationQuickSlot' (a nil value)
Thanks for posting this. This error occurs when saving options changes. I have reproduced the error and will get a fix for it ASAP, probably later today.
The bug was introduced while working on adding a manual location update. I have fixed the bug and once I am done testing the changes I will post a hotfix, "version 1.05a".
EDIT: 1.05a is now available

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I keep getting this error message:
...the Rings Online\Plugins\GaranStuff\MoorMap\Main.lua:3635: attempt to index field 'LocationQuickSlot' (a nil value)
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Re: default flags problem

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Didn't look at his name, but I agree with the person that said Outstanding Plugin!!!


That said, I'm having the same problem Matziq described with 1.04.

I'm not having it show any default flags anywhere. Including in Breeland, Bree, Old Forest, Barrow Downs (N or S) except the POI, prospecting & wood flags I manually set while exploring.
I can think of two likely scenarios that could cause this and in both cases, when you load MoorMap the text will say "MoorMap 1.03 by Garan loaded" instead of 1.04. In the first case, if you had an older version of a plugin running and copied over the files without leaving the game or executing "/plugins refresh" then the game still has the old version info so the plugin won't see the data as being new - this is self correcting the next time you start the game client. The second case is that an archive version of 1.03 got renamed as "1.04" in the archive list on LoTROInterface, so if you downloaded from the archive list instead of the "Download" button (or clicked the Download button while the update was still pending approval) then you actually downloaded 1.03 - I deleted the erroneously named archive file (there's no way to change the name/version of an archive file).

If, when you load MoorMap, the message in the chat window is "MoorMap 1.04 by Garan loaded" then you are indeed running version 1.04 and neither of the prior situations applies. In that case, could you try loading the plugin and switching maps to Breeland and checking the chat window to see if any error messages are output? While I have tried to eliminate any upgrade issues by testing the file on a clean client as well as applying it as an upgrade over prior versions, it is possible that something occurred on your system that I had not anticipated.

If there are no error messages output and your client displays the 1.04 version message when loading, then you can try manually reapplying the default data by opening the Annotation Maintenance Window and clicking the "Reload Defaults" button. You open the maintenance window by clicking the second button from the left on MoorMap, or by adding an annotation or editing any existing custom annotation. This should display a small dialog which rapidly lists all of the map names as it processes the default data for each map and then refreshes MoorMap with that new default data. This mechanism should only be needed if somehow MoorMap incorrectly saved it's data version or you were sent a pre-release copy of MoorMap (and since I don't recognize your username as one of the authors who receive pre-release versions I don't believe that to be the case).

Please let me know if any of the above resolved the problem or if I need to dig further. Also, if none of the above resolved the issue, could you verify whether you have default data showing for Angmar or Archet (that data was in earlier versions of MoorMap and might help track down any discrepancies). Thanks.

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default flags problem

Didn't look at his name, but I agree with the person that said Outstanding Plugin!!!


That said, I'm having the same problem Matziq described with 1.04.

I'm not having it show any default flags anywhere. Including in Breeland, Bree, Old Forest, Barrow Downs (N or S) except the POI, prospecting & wood flags I manually set while exploring.
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Outstanding mod. Thanks for the hard work!
You're welcome. Always good to hear when things work well, not just when something's gone wrong

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Outstanding mod. Thanks for the hard work!
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