Garan

LotroMaps was never a fully functional plugin, it was just a prototype, covering one very small section of the map (Lothlorien) as a proof of concept. It was never further developed due to limitations in the API at the time.

Unfortunately most of what you would like is simply not possible with the limited API exposed by LotRO. Other games like WoW expose much more of the game UI as well as more of the game data which is why plugins in those games support more functionality. For instance, in LotRO, the built-in map is not exposed to Lua so there is no way to display additional information on it. Additionally, none of the map data is exposed so all of the information that you see in plugins like RTPlugin, MoorMap, Fowl Map and LOTRO Compendium are all manually compiled by the authors.

In the case of TerrainMap, the annotations are actually based on the data I have compiled for MoorMap - since the display mechanisms are so different, the annotations have to be stored and loaded differently and use a completely different format but they come from the same source (I have a SQL database that keeps track of the default annotations that I find and then I export that data either as files for MoorMap or files for TerrainMap - fwiw, that same database also exports the data files for the web based google map). Displaying another author's data also involves complications beyond just getting permission to use their data, especially when considering the differences between systems like MoorMap and TerrainMap - many other authors display their data over the images of the built-in parchment maps (basically what MoorMap does) but that data does not lend itself to being displayed by TerrainMap where every 200x200 pixel block has to have it's own data file to support dynamic loading unlike MoorMap where all of the data for an entire parchment map is in one file.

vecny.samotar

Thank you for responding to my questions
your plugin is probably the best I found I tried the LotroMaps plugin but it is not working

so if I understood the world map display you figured out that you had merged the regions into one big screen, so if I wanted to look at another region (map) than I have to increase the map size display and move the map to a tax point.

as far as the replacement of the map skoda can not be done.
For many years I played world of warcraft and there were also plugins that displayed other information such as localization of various NPCs, places of deposit of raw materials and other info according to how the player had installed addons. these addons, although they did not replace the default map, but modified the default map management such as. change the size of the map (it was no longer displayed in full screen), the map could be moved to another location, display quests and especially the display of possible occurrences of deposits of craft resources.

I also have stupid assault and question
couldn't the information be displayed either on the default map or your map? I know if it couldn't be work for one person and it would take longer.
information is available because when I was looking for some plugins so I found some plugins that can show various info (RTPlugin, MoorMap, Fowl Map and LOTRO Compendium (which is only a database but can work together from the map especially when I have the plugin installed Waypoint))
when I mention Waypoint plugin couldn't add support for it? that when I clicked on your map at a certain location to pop up the offer. I am not following chat commands

Garan

To zoom the map, either pick a zoom level from the radio buttons at the top or double click on the map. A left double click zooms in, a right double click zooms out.

There is no world map for TerrainMap. Since TerrainMap displays coordinates and the coordinate systems are different for each region, you have to select a region using the radio buttons at the top. The built-in game map avoids this issue by simply not showing coordinates on the world map. I've thought of adding a world map for region selection but it was never a high priority.

As to replacing the built-in map, the answer is no. Unlike the inventory bags, there is no way to suppress the display of the in-game map, so at best both maps would display (we can detect the Toggle Map action and respond to it, we just can't suppress the built in map). Additionally, since the built-in map provides some significant features such as the quest tracker, it is highly unlikely that anyone would really want to permanently replace the built-in map - and before you ask, no, we can't implement a quest tracker since quest info is not exposed to Lua.

The "Show in MoorMap" and "Add Annotation" options should both be grayed out since they are for features that were never completely implemented (I noticed I accidentally left the Add Annotation entry enabled and it will appear to work except that the annotation will not be persistent). I may still find time to finish those features in a future version.

vecny.samotar

I have some questions

1. how to zoom in on a map
2. How to switch from a region map to a world map. I'm in Breeland, for example, and I want to look at the Dunland map. on the default map, I just click with the right mouse button and get to the world map and there I can choose a map of the region
3. one more question, couldn't your map replace the default map? So after pressing the 'M' key, your map would be displayed, not the map which is implemented in

and more

i have a smaller problem
in the settings menu more precisely in the contextual idea what to show you have the option to check Moormap but it's gray although moormap I have installed and loaded

Garan

Version 1.23 is available with Vales of Anduin (U24) and some minor fixes to the prezoomed Rhovanion tiles.

Garan

Version 1.22 has been uploaded and should be available soon. This includes all of the terrain from U23. The devs also gave us a sneak peak at the area around the Beorning lands, but that is obviously all dev markup work and subject to change (but it does show that the devs are working on that area).

The online Google map won't be updated for a while, I have to re-work a couple of the tools I used to make the map since they work great for creating the project from scratch (easy to do but quite time consuming) but doesn't handle partial updates (a little harder to do but far less time consuming for future updates) quite so well.

Garan

Sadly, the behavior with the window resizing is a byproduct of the client image handling with scaled images. The pre-zoomed tiles help with it at zoom level 4 and 16. Using additional pre-zoomed tiles for zoom levels 2, 8 and 32 would help smooth it out more but would bloat the client tremendously (it's already a huge download) so the clunky resizing was my compromise for a smaller footprint.

There will be some discrepancies between what you see in the radar map and TerrainMap because there are multiple versions of many of the terrains in the game. I tend to use the resource image with the highest ID when faced with near duplicates but that doesn't always represent the latest version of the area (sometimes the devs will rework an old area, such the tutorial areas which leads to resource IDs that are higher representing a version of the world that are older). TerrainMap will always represent some version of the game world since the images are coming from the actual client, unlike the online google map which has static images that may not reflect updated terrain from a reworked area.

Hope that explains the issues. Glad you enjoy the plugin.

cipher_nemo

I've been using this since I posted. Works great. I put a macro on my mouse for doing /loc so that I can update my current position whenever I want. I keep it open all the time and usually at 2x zoom out, but sometimes 4x for general without icons.

The only issue I've noticed is that resizing the window is clunky when it's not on 1x zoom out level. Otherwise everything is smooth.

Other than the new areas, the only regular map area it didn't show during my gameplay was the road/path area leading up to Thorin's Gate (the path that goes North-South).

Garan

You're Welcome. Truthfully, I've been a bit lazy (ok, not totally lazy, but otherwise occupied) and haven't included updates for U23 yet. IIRC when I left off, the map stuff was all complete, I just have to run around and grab the annotation data. Hopefully I'll find time to do it before the holidays set in, otherwise it will have to wait 'til after New Years. Anyway, glad you enjoy it.

cipher_nemo

Garan, thank you so much for all of your hard work in creating and maintaining this! I'm coming back to LOTRO after many years, and this is absolutely invaluable to someone who missed a lot of expansions and updates. Kudos!

Garan

Thanks. Not sure what you mean by 'lower-scale' tiles. The fully zoomed in tiles are the actual in-game assets for the game compass (200x200 pixel images, the same images used by TerrainMap). As you zoom out, a set of pre-zoomed tiles are used - that is how the Google Map API works.

The old MyLotro map used the same Google Map API but the tiles were just pre-scaled to 256x256 pixels. The original tiles aren't actually rare, Turbine still has all of the tiles for their old google map as it was last displayed from MyLotro, it's just that most people don't know how to access them any more. As it happens, the 'classic' version (see link at top of plugin description above) is actually using those very tiles still hosted by Turbine (with permission).

EDIT: Note, you'll notice a discrepancy between the 'classic' map positioning of Moria and Lothlorien to the version I'm currently hosting. That's because Rhovanion wasn't connected to Eriador via Isengard and the Gap of Rhohan so whoever positioned it for the map didn't bother lining it up based on shared world coordinates. The current map had to resolve the positioning based on the actual in-game positions of locations that exist on both maps such as Isengard so the positions on the current map are actually the correct positions - at least based on Turbine's game world - the whole thing doesn't quite line up with any of Tolkien's maps but that's another topic entirely :P

Also, FWIW, TerrainMap, MoorMap and the LotRO Google Map are all due for a U23 update. The plugin map parts are already done, I just need to get motivated to get back in game and capture all of the annotations and then I need to find my notes on how to convert TerrainMap images and annotation files for the Google map. So, sometime before Christmas

ENDrain

This is an outstanding job on your part! Thank you so much! I'm going to add the link to your map on my kin's page.

I notice that you only use lower-scale tiles. Is this WIP, or is it a part of your agreement with SSG?

By the way, I can give you some tiles of the old official dynamic map. Those are pretty rare, I had to do some (legal) magic to obtain them.

Garan

You're welcome.

Did you know TerrainMap is also now a browser based google map?
http://lotromap.net/terrainmap/google.html

omrsax

I download and installed the new V1.21 map and it now works fine.
Very useful plugin.
Thanks

Garan

The grey grid indicates missing images. Are you using the latest update (TerrainMap was updated today for changes made in U22.2)? If so, what region are you displaying and roughly what area or is it happening in all regions/areas?